问HN:作为一个社会,我们是否会让大型语言模型公司占据所有的价值?

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我并不年轻,但也不算老。我曾经是个孩子,认为成年人已经搞明白了一切,我可以安然无恙。<p>随着我逐渐长大,我意识到一个事实:房间里再也没有成年人了,或者说,我现在成了一个成年人,和其他成年人一样,我们其实对任何事情都一无所知,大家都是如此。<p>我认为大型语言模型(LLM)是一项有用的技术。但自从LLM问世以来,我一直在想,如果我们将LLM推向其逻辑上的结论,世界会变成什么样子。在我看来,尽管LLM有很多好处,但它对我们来说是一把过于锋利的剑。未来不会是阳光明媚、彩虹满天的场景。<p>以下是我想到的几件事情,这些都是社会影响,甚至不是环境方面的:<p>- 年轻人失去了职业发展的阶梯。资本主义不再有效。我们有了永久的底层阶级。或许还会出现全球范围的社会动荡,暴力将成为常态。<p>- 人们停止创作音乐,停止写博客,停止进行实验或其他任何有趣的事情,并在互联网上分享,因为LLM公司可以轻易地盗用这些作品,而不需要付出任何代价。<p>- 一切都变得平庸。我们有这种Suno的东西声称人们不喜欢创作音乐的过程,因为太繁琐了,所以我们就直接用提示生成吧。伯克利开设了AI音乐课程。没错。人们声称消费平庸的东西没关系,因为我们日常生活中不需要最高级的代码、设计或音乐。<p>- 人们停止社交,停止与其他人建立联系。例如,艺术是人们与他人艺术连接的一种方式。软件工程需要大量的沟通,与其他工程师讨论权衡。但现在你可以轻松地用提示来完成,甚至像写邮件这样简单的事情。<p>- 这个世界上所有的价值(以金钱衡量)都被LLM的拥有者/生产者吸走了。哦,你刚创作了一首美妙的音乐?太可惜了,现在是我的了。哦,你刚创作了一幅艺术作品?现在是我的艺术,我会向社会收费,让他们重现我刚获得的这幅艺术。哦,你在某个地方有块土地?我可以直接买下,反正对我来说钱不算什么,因为我吸走了社会创造的所有价值。除了LLM的训练/研究,没有其他价值值得用金钱来补偿。这些“研究者”不需要练习音乐,不需要练习艺术,不需要练习法律,也不需要练习编程,他们只需成为LLM的研究者/生产者/拥有者,就能获得其他职业创造的所有价值。<p>- 上述所有因素导致了经济停滞。人们不觉得需要支付给其他人,因为一切都只需一个提示。<p>- 上述所有因素导致了进步的停滞,甚至是进步的倒退。<p>还有什么呢?<p>如果这真的是LLM的逻辑结论,那么在我看来,这一代人的使命就是摧毁AI,正如Ronnie Chieng所说的那样,这并不是偏离主题。<p>也许我就是个LLM悲观主义者,但请帮帮我,HN,因为我只是个愚蠢的成年人。
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I am not that young, but I&#x27;m not that old. I used to be a child, and thought that the adults already figured things out and I can be at peace.<p>One of my realization of me getting older is the realization that there are no adults in the room anymore, or that I am now, an adult, who, also the same like other adults, we actually don&#x27;t know shit about anything, none of us do.<p>I think LLM is a useful technology. But since the dawn of LLMs, I&#x27;ve been trying to imagine what the world will look like if we take LLM to its logical conclusion. It seems to me, despite of all its benefits, LLM is a sword too sharp for all of us to handle. Its not gonna be sunshines and rainbows.<p>A couple things I&#x27;m thinking about below, and these are all just societal impact, not even environmental ones:<p>- Young people lost their career ladders. Capitalism doesn&#x27;t work anymore. We have permanent underclass. And maybe worldwide scale societal unrest, in which violence will be the norm.<p>- People stop creating music, stop writing blogs, stop doing experiments or any other cool stuffs and share it on the internet because LLM companies can just pirate the shit out of it without paying anything back.<p>- Mediocrity in everything. We have this Suno shit claiming that people don&#x27;t like the process of creating music because its so tedious so lets just prompt it away. Berklee has a class to make AI music. Yup. People claim that its okay to consume mediocre stuffs, because we don&#x27;t need the highest grade of codebase, of design, of music for our day to day life.<p>- People stop socializing and connecting to another human beings. For example, art is a way for people to connect to other&#x27;s art. Software engineering is a lot of communication, discussing tradeoffs with other engineers. But now you can just prompt your way away, even things as simple as writing emails.<p>- All the values (measured by money) created in this world is sucked by the LLM owners&#x2F;producers. Oh you have a beautiful music you just created? Too bad, its mine now. Oh, you just created an art? Its my art now, and I will charge society money to recreate this art that I just acquired. Oh, you have a land somewhere? I can just buy it, money is cheap for me, after all I suck all the values that society created. There are no other values worthy of monetary compensation other than LLM training&#x2F;research. These &quot;researchers&quot; don&#x27;t need to practice music, don&#x27;t need to practice art, don&#x27;t need to practice law, don&#x27;t need to practice coding, they can just be an LLM researchers&#x2F;producers&#x2F;owners and they get all the values that the other professions created.<p>- All the above caused economic stagnation. People don&#x27;t feel the need to pay other human beings, because everything is just a prompt away.<p>- All the above caused stagnation of progress, or even winding down of progress.<p>What else?<p>If truly this is the logical conclusion of LLM, then it seems to me that the mission of this generation is to destroy AI as Ronnie Chieng said is not really off the mark.<p>Maybe I am an LLM doomer, but help me out here HN, because I&#x27;m just a dumb adult.