问HN:我们是否在以安全的名义正常化监控?
我不知道这是否只是我的想象。<p>近年来,我感觉整个世界似乎正慢慢朝着这个方向发展:<p>“因为我们需要保护人们,所以我们需要监控他们。”<p>作为一个台湾人,我对这种来自邻国中共的逻辑非常熟悉。<p>但不知为何,我感觉越来越多的国家也在朝这个方向前进。<p>例如:<p>* 要求像Linux这样的重要开源基础设施项目添加年龄验证。
* 信用卡公司要求日本遵循各种不合理的规则。
* 利用法院强迫公司以人权或安全的名义监控云数据。
* 要求对VPN进行控制或监管。<p>这些只是一些简单的例子。我没有详细的统计数据,但我真的感觉最近这样的案例越来越多。<p>这些往往被包裹在某种道德正当的外衣下,然后在其背后引入监控和控制。<p>邻国的中共一直在使用这种逻辑。<p>官方上,一切都是为了保护和安全。加密受到严格限制。每当这些政策出台时,也总会有很多人为其辩护。<p>许多人并没有真正感受到自己的权利受到侵犯。<p>直到有一天,限制不断扩大,变成一种几乎任何事情都可以受到惩罚的审查制度。<p>在中国大陆的平台上,如果你试图对某些话题进行更深入的讨论,甚至只是询问意见,很容易就会被封禁。<p>目前,幸运的是,世界上仍有许多人在抵制各种被包装为“道德必要”的监控。<p>但我担心的是:<p>如果人们慢慢习惯了呢?<p>如果每个人对这些事情变得越来越麻木,就像许多大陆人一样,直到几乎无法再说话时才意识到发生了什么?<p>到那时,可能已经为时已晚。<p>顺便提一下,中国大陆的安全和身份系统基本上是从国家的角度构建的。<p>所以你可以看到很多这样的现象:<p>* 几乎到处都需要手机号码。
* 电子邮件使用得不多。
* 交流主要通过QQ或微信进行。
* 密码钥匙并不常见,大多数身份验证基于手机号码。
* 许多服务看似匿名,但实际上与您的真实身份相关联。<p>很多“安全”机制与国家有关,包括言论和政治控制,而不是用户的个人安全或隐私。<p>应用程序也喜欢到处放广告。<p>有一个应用程序试图做所有事情。<p>许多应用程序不断鼓励人们借钱。<p>即使在手机和其他硬件上,任何允许您输入文本的东西都可能包含被屏蔽的词汇。<p>某些话题基本上无法讨论。<p>习近平就是一个明显的例子。甚至相关的词汇或联想,如“习”或小熊维尼,都可能变得敏感。<p>中国在人工智能方面也非常强大,部分原因是数据量庞大而隐私较少。<p>有时你会看到中国的人工智能系统以一种非常接近真实人类思维和交流的方式进行对话。<p>我猜这部分是因为许多真实的人际对话,包括私人对话,被用于训练。<p>我可能还有很多可以补充的内容。<p>但主要的观点并不完全是关于中国。<p>我担心的是,有一天,甚至在我自己的电脑上安装Linux也可能需要实名验证。<p>这种事情对我来说听起来令人恐惧。<p>也许我在过度思考,但我真的感觉这个方向变得越来越明显。<p>我很好奇这里的人怎么想。<p>你们有同样的感觉吗?<p>你们认为这实际上正在成为一种更广泛的趋势吗?
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I don’t know if this is just my imagination.<p>In recent years, I feel like the whole world is slowly moving toward this direction:<p>“Because we need to protect people, we need to monitor them.”<p>As a Taiwanese person, I’m very familiar with this kind of logic from the CCP next door.<p>But for some reason, I feel like more and more of the world is also moving in this direction.<p>For example:<p>* Asking an important open-source infrastructure project like Linux to add age verification.
* Credit card companies asking Japan to follow all kinds of unreasonable rules.
* Using courts to force companies, in the name of human rights or safety, to monitor cloud data.
* Requiring VPNs to be controlled or regulated.<p>These are just some simple examples. I don’t have detailed statistics, but I really feel like there have been more and more cases like this recently.<p>It is often wrapped in something morally justified, and then surveillance and control are introduced underneath it.<p>The CCP next door has always used this kind of logic.<p>Officially, everything is for protection and safety. Encryption is heavily restricted. Whenever these policies are introduced, there are also many people defending them.<p>Many people do not really feel that their own rights are being violated.<p>Until one day, the restrictions keep expanding and become something like a censorship system where almost anything can be punished.<p>On mainland Chinese platforms, if you try to have a deeper discussion about certain topics, or even just ask for opinions, it is very easy to get banned.<p>Right now, fortunately, there are still many people around the world who keep pushing back against different kinds of surveillance that are packaged as “morally necessary.”<p>But what I’m afraid of is this:<p>What if people slowly become used to it?<p>What if everyone becomes more and more insensitive to these things, like many people in mainland China, and only realizes what happened when almost nothing can be said anymore?<p>At that point, it may already be too late.<p>As a side note, the security and identity system in mainland China is basically built more from the perspective of the state.<p>So you can see many things like:<p>* A phone number is required almost everywhere.
* Email is not used very much.
* Communication is mainly through QQ or WeChat.
* Passkeys are not common. Most identity verification is based on phone numbers.
* Many services look anonymous, but are actually tied to your real identity.<p>A lot of the “security” mechanisms are related to the state, including speech and political control, rather than the personal security or privacy of the user.<p>Apps also like to put advertisements everywhere.<p>One app tries to do everything.<p>Many apps constantly encourage people to borrow money.<p>Even on phones and other hardware, anything that allows you to type text may potentially contain blocked words.<p>Some topics basically cannot be discussed.<p>Xi Jinping is one obvious example. Even related words or associations, such as “Xi” or Winnie the Pooh, can become sensitive.<p>China is also very strong in AI, partly because there is so much data and not much privacy.<p>Sometimes you can see Chinese AI systems that speak in a way that feels very similar to how real people think and talk.<p>My guess is that this is partly because a lot of real human-to-human conversations have been used for training, including private conversations.<p>There is probably much more I could add.<p>But the main point is not really China.<p>What I am worried about is that one day, even installing Linux on my own computer may require real-name verification.<p>That kind of thing sounds terrifying to me.<p>Maybe I’m overthinking it, but I really feel like the direction is becoming more obvious.<p>I’m curious what people here think.<p>Do you feel the same way?<p>Do you think this is actually becoming a broader trend?