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我注意到越来越多的帖子在HackerNews上受到关注，这些帖子推广了一种非工程性的“魔幻思维”世界观，围绕着大型语言模型（LLM）和现代技术。我清晰地记得，这种神秘化在“黑客时代”、“网络时代”，然后是“Web 2.0”，再到“Web 3.0”，以及“加密货币/加密风格的Web 3.0”期间的表现。在这些浪潮中，HackerNews以及更早的Slashdot社区大多保持清醒和理智。通常是非工程背景的人在左右神秘化事物，打开了“社会变革”层面的解读和猜测的大门。我记得任何制造炒作或神秘新闻的内容都在基本的工程直觉层面被拒绝：那是胡说，因为事情并不是那样运作的。但对于LLMs来说，情况完全不同。我们看到像“为什么AI代理会撒谎、作弊和协调？”这样的链接迅速传播，我们在每第二个讨论串中都有关于谁会被取代以及以何种方式被取代的讨论，我们看到一些煽动恐慌的帖子被点赞，宣扬AGI并呼吁对AI进行监管。这与我们在Web等时代听到的关于“机器的危险”的内容完全相同，发声者往往对“机器”是如何运作的毫无概念。但我们知道。发生了什么，HackerNews？社会变了吗？这个社区的工程部分被稀释得如此严重吗？工程师们是否被有意或无意地操控，陷入这种反应性和神秘的思维中？

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I see more and more posts get traction on HackerNews of a kind that promote non-engineering "magical thinking" world view around LLMs and modern technology.I can very clearly remember how this kind of mystification looked like back in "hacker era", "web", then "Web 2.0", then "Web 3.0", then "crypto / crypto flavor of Web 3.0" - during all of those waves hackernews and, earlier, slashdot communities stayed mostly sober and grounded. It was most often the non-engineering crowd mystifying things right and left, opening doors to "societal changes" level of interpretations and guesswork. I remember how any hype creating or mystic news were rejected at the level of basic engineering intuition: that's bull, because that's not how this works.This is totally not the case with LLMs. We get links like "Why are AI agents lying, cheating and coordinating?" going viral, we have discussions in every second thread about who gets replaced and in what exact way, we get fear mongering posts upvoted that preach AGI and call for AI regulations. Which is the same exact content we had during Web etc times about "dangers of the machine" from people who have no idea how "the machine" works.But we do.What is happening, HN? Has society changed? Has the engineering part of this community been diluted so much? Are engineers intentionally or unintentionally being manipulated into this kind of reactive and mystical thinking?

请问HN：我们是否在失去工程素养？